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	<title>Comments on: Zoe returns Miranda&#8217;s doll, More BAM drama</title>
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		<title>By: bamfan9</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>bamfan9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i understand what you are saying fabuloso some of the statements are cruel..i agree...but the getting headaches from watching zoe isnt bad...i admit i do too...but i also have them with babe and ryan...its not jus limited to zoe....and yes i am upset that they (zoe and bianca) are leaning towards a relationship...i wish  that they would have a woman with bianca..i am sorry..but i do..i understand that zoe considers herself a woman and i applaud that and think its a great storyline...but they have moved on it so fast(woulda said this for a "male" and woman relationship as well..not just a transgender one...i feel like they basically have kinda hung maggie out to dry..its very inconsistent...bianca said she would take maggie back...nope...bianca forgives babe..not maggie(even SOW said something about that) so for me..its about being too fast too soon, what they have done to bianca's character and maggies, and yes...i have to say i would rather see her with a woman than zoe..chemistry wise and i would like for AMC to stick to their guns and truly have a lesbian couple that is forefront..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i understand what you are saying fabuloso some of the statements are cruel..i agree&#8230;but the getting headaches from watching zoe isnt bad&#8230;i admit i do too&#8230;but i also have them with babe and ryan&#8230;its not jus limited to zoe&#8230;.and yes i am upset that they (zoe and bianca) are leaning towards a relationship&#8230;i wish  that they would have a woman with bianca..i am sorry..but i do..i understand that zoe considers herself a woman and i applaud that and think its a great storyline&#8230;but they have moved on it so fast(woulda said this for a &#8220;male&#8221; and woman relationship as well..not just a transgender one&#8230;i feel like they basically have kinda hung maggie out to dry..its very inconsistent&#8230;bianca said she would take maggie back&#8230;nope&#8230;bianca forgives babe..not maggie(even SOW said something about that) so for me..its about being too fast too soon, what they have done to bianca&#8217;s character and maggies, and yes&#8230;i have to say i would rather see her with a woman than zoe..chemistry wise and i would like for AMC to stick to their guns and truly have a lesbian couple that is forefront..</p>
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		<title>By: fabuloso</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>fabuloso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"whatever the hell IT is needs to be killed off. And soon."

"I mean wtf. A man-woman??? sheï¿½s going for this man-woman thing now? Thats the type of s*** (EDITED BY ADMIN) you see on Jerry Springer!"

"Getting HEADACHES watching this Zoe/Zarf thing" 

I understand that this is a site for fans of Bianca and Maggie, so I understand that there would be resistance to the Zoe storyline here.

However, here and at the main AMC messageboard I have seen some extreme transphobia that is very disturbing to me. 

A transgender woman (male to female) is...a woman. Many people seem to be equating biological sex (male-female) with gender, when in fact they are different.

I understand that BAM fans may feel cheated, but arguing that Bianca is somehow no longer a lesbian because she is with a trans woman and making hateful comments against transpeople  are intolerant actions...and, as far as intolerance, I'm sure there are people out there who would prefer not to have any sort of lesbian (or gay) storyline on daytime TV. The ugliness is just shocking to me...and very discouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;whatever the hell IT is needs to be killed off. And soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I mean wtf. A man-woman??? sheï¿½s going for this man-woman thing now? Thats the type of s*** (EDITED BY ADMIN) you see on Jerry Springer!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Getting HEADACHES watching this Zoe/Zarf thing&#8221; </p>
<p>I understand that this is a site for fans of Bianca and Maggie, so I understand that there would be resistance to the Zoe storyline here.</p>
<p>However, here and at the main AMC messageboard I have seen some extreme transphobia that is very disturbing to me. </p>
<p>A transgender woman (male to female) is&#8230;a woman. Many people seem to be equating biological sex (male-female) with gender, when in fact they are different.</p>
<p>I understand that BAM fans may feel cheated, but arguing that Bianca is somehow no longer a lesbian because she is with a trans woman and making hateful comments against transpeople  are intolerant actions&#8230;and, as far as intolerance, I&#8217;m sure there are people out there who would prefer not to have any sort of lesbian (or gay) storyline on daytime TV. The ugliness is just shocking to me&#8230;and very discouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: goh su yin</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>goh su yin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE @#$%^&#38;*()!!! IS HAPPENING TO BAM's STORYLINE?!!! Too many inconsistencies, irregulariries, simply out of line. Getting HEADACHES watching this Zoe/Zarf thing and Bianca's character is NOT herself, Maggie's sweetness is MISSING! AMC writers what have you done? Ruin the wonderful story of BAM through the years, then now you are thrashing it for something soap watchers feel undigestable?
COME ON, Get BAM BACK together! Don't write this greatest AMC couple off. GIVE BAM fans their BIANCA and MAGGIE back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE @#$%^&amp;*()!!! IS HAPPENING TO BAM&#8217;s STORYLINE?!!! Too many inconsistencies, irregulariries, simply out of line. Getting HEADACHES watching this Zoe/Zarf thing and Bianca&#8217;s character is NOT herself, Maggie&#8217;s sweetness is MISSING! AMC writers what have you done? Ruin the wonderful story of BAM through the years, then now you are thrashing it for something soap watchers feel undigestable?<br />
COME ON, Get BAM BACK together! Don&#8217;t write this greatest AMC couple off. GIVE BAM fans their BIANCA and MAGGIE back!</p>
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		<title>By: bamfan9</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>bamfan9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love that they have maggie should steal miranda and maybe then bianca could forgive her under the top ten things of the week from SOW.....i mean i think how they are going to "satisfy" us with maggie leaving is probably only a line or 2 of i just cant get back together with you now...maybe later....is that going to be the only open ended remark that we will get....well its on today...and i for one am going to eat light....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love that they have maggie should steal miranda and maybe then bianca could forgive her under the top ten things of the week from SOW&#8230;..i mean i think how they are going to &#8220;satisfy&#8221; us with maggie leaving is probably only a line or 2 of i just cant get back together with you now&#8230;maybe later&#8230;.is that going to be the only open ended remark that we will get&#8230;.well its on today&#8230;and i for one am going to eat light&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bringbackbam</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>bringbackbam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have watched the BAM storyline since the beginning and i stopped watching when they left for paris. Now i am so dissapointed in what they are doing to the characters....Bianca has always been the one with the big heart and always willing to forgive, but now that the love of her life is asking for the forgiveness its like they have transformed her into this petty and spiteful person.....And it makes me so mad that they are trying to erase everything that BAM was by turning maggie into the bad guy.......i just don't understand what they are thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have watched the BAM storyline since the beginning and i stopped watching when they left for paris. Now i am so dissapointed in what they are doing to the characters&#8230;.Bianca has always been the one with the big heart and always willing to forgive, but now that the love of her life is asking for the forgiveness its like they have transformed her into this petty and spiteful person&#8230;..And it makes me so mad that they are trying to erase everything that BAM was by turning maggie into the bad guy&#8230;&#8230;.i just don&#8217;t understand what they are thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: BAMit!</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>BAMit!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It’s like somewhere between those scenes and writing Friday’s episode, they took peyote"  

*LOL*  Well, I haven't followed the BARF relationship, but I do know that I was surprised that Bianca had an overnight with her friend on NYE!  I don't know WHY the writers decided to have Maggie leave Bianca &#38; Mimo and have an affair!  Can't these people come up with anything original?  It's always adultery, deception, murder, betrayal, promises, &#38; endless arguments on soaps, -- constantly recycled.  It's no wonder the genre is in decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s like somewhere between those scenes and writing Friday’s episode, they took peyote&#8221;  </p>
<p>*LOL*  Well, I haven&#8217;t followed the BARF relationship, but I do know that I was surprised that Bianca had an overnight with her friend on NYE!  I don&#8217;t know WHY the writers decided to have Maggie leave Bianca &amp; Mimo and have an affair!  Can&#8217;t these people come up with anything original?  It&#8217;s always adultery, deception, murder, betrayal, promises, &amp; endless arguments on soaps, &#8212; constantly recycled.  It&#8217;s no wonder the genre is in decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Kacey</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Kacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with al the people that are confused because, frankly, I'm done yelling at the television over some of the crazy turns they are taking.  I'm seriously beginning to worry about Bianca-I think she may need to get on some regulatory medication for her mood swings (re: what Alicat said about Binks not wanting Zoe in her bldg then doing a 180 and having her over to the apt).  I feel as though Maggie has made a genuine effort to win Bianca back. Hello! Why have the 'forgiveness' chat &#38; 'MiMo has two mommies' if she's gonna flip out when Maggie shows a bit of concern regarding her [ex-]girlfriend's safety?  Not to get all soapboxy but I thought about something I recently read when Bianca started pulling punches with Maggie (I'll paraphrase because I don't remember exactly how it went) 'it's easier to forgive some one when you remember that they are human (i.e. not capable of perfection)'. AMC writers would do more justice to the story if they remembered that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with al the people that are confused because, frankly, I&#8217;m done yelling at the television over some of the crazy turns they are taking.  I&#8217;m seriously beginning to worry about Bianca-I think she may need to get on some regulatory medication for her mood swings (re: what Alicat said about Binks not wanting Zoe in her bldg then doing a 180 and having her over to the apt).  I feel as though Maggie has made a genuine effort to win Bianca back. Hello! Why have the &#8216;forgiveness&#8217; chat &amp; &#8216;MiMo has two mommies&#8217; if she&#8217;s gonna flip out when Maggie shows a bit of concern regarding her [ex-]girlfriend&#8217;s safety?  Not to get all soapboxy but I thought about something I recently read when Bianca started pulling punches with Maggie (I&#8217;ll paraphrase because I don&#8217;t remember exactly how it went) &#8216;it&#8217;s easier to forgive some one when you remember that they are human (i.e. not capable of perfection)&#8217;. AMC writers would do more justice to the story if they remembered that.</p>
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		<title>By: bamfan9</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>bamfan9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i posted this somewhere on the boards...and i know that ER doesnt have alot to say with regards to the writers and the storyline that they give her...but it was just so sad to read it..it was about when she was coming back adn EH wasnt....they were asking her about her character and maggie...she said that she would love for her to come back and that she wanted to respect the love and history that those characters have not only to each other but to their fans...how important of a storyline it was to her...with all the zoe stuff aside(which dont even get me started on)i am just more upset with how they are treating the history of BAM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i posted this somewhere on the boards&#8230;and i know that ER doesnt have alot to say with regards to the writers and the storyline that they give her&#8230;but it was just so sad to read it..it was about when she was coming back adn EH wasnt&#8230;.they were asking her about her character and maggie&#8230;she said that she would love for her to come back and that she wanted to respect the love and history that those characters have not only to each other but to their fans&#8230;how important of a storyline it was to her&#8230;with all the zoe stuff aside(which dont even get me started on)i am just more upset with how they are treating the history of BAM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vdubb</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Vdubb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is exactly my point.  Bianca has had daily inconsistencies in her writing.  Has a JR talk regarding foregiveness, and then no follow-up.  Has a lovely conversation with Julia regarding Maggie/Miranda's relationship, leaves park to go to the Chandler mansion?; then pretty much won't give Maggie enough time to even speak....then we get her unnerved that Zarf is living in her building, Maggie warns her to watch herself around Zarf, and what does she do right after Maggie leaves?  calls Zarf back...WTF?  I think AMC needs to pick a direction of the story and stick with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is exactly my point.  Bianca has had daily inconsistencies in her writing.  Has a JR talk regarding foregiveness, and then no follow-up.  Has a lovely conversation with Julia regarding Maggie/Miranda&#8217;s relationship, leaves park to go to the Chandler mansion?; then pretty much won&#8217;t give Maggie enough time to even speak&#8230;.then we get her unnerved that Zarf is living in her building, Maggie warns her to watch herself around Zarf, and what does she do right after Maggie leaves?  calls Zarf back&#8230;WTF?  I think AMC needs to pick a direction of the story and stick with it.</p>
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		<title>By: kennedyismyhero</title>
		<link>http://www.bamforbeginners.com/2007/02/02/zoe-returns-mirandas-doll-more-bam-drama/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>kennedyismyhero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of consistency, that's sooo nice that Bianca had that nice, weirdly placed chat with Julia in the park the other day. Y'know the one about where she was deliberating on whether or not she should let Maggie see Miranda, since she was planning on adopting her and they just hadn't reached that point yet. Oh, and also, what was that whole conversation/realization with JR about if not to give the cheaters a second chance since they had chosen them in the end. It's like somewhere between those scenes and writing Friday's episode, they took peyote and realized they wanted Bianca...and Zoe, and decided they needed to turn Maggie and her history on the head, making her a mean, intolent anti-Maggie. Way to go, AMC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of consistency, that&#8217;s sooo nice that Bianca had that nice, weirdly placed chat with Julia in the park the other day. Y&#8217;know the one about where she was deliberating on whether or not she should let Maggie see Miranda, since she was planning on adopting her and they just hadn&#8217;t reached that point yet. Oh, and also, what was that whole conversation/realization with JR about if not to give the cheaters a second chance since they had chosen them in the end. It&#8217;s like somewhere between those scenes and writing Friday&#8217;s episode, they took peyote and realized they wanted Bianca&#8230;and Zoe, and decided they needed to turn Maggie and her history on the head, making her a mean, intolent anti-Maggie. Way to go, AMC.</p>
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